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the problem with all of these, “X creature is an antisemitic stereotype” is…

well, if they are, it’s a thoroughly recent invention

because, yanno

Christians didn’t need to come up with coded representations of the worst things they believed of Jews

they just presented it outright

we didn’t have “goblins hoard gold and control the banks”, we had “Jews hoard gold and control the banks and steal the Host and drink the blood of Christian babies and dig up our dead”

With the exception of impenetrable allegorical works that were just allllll about symbolism, from top to bottom… Notsrim didn’t need to invent some kind of fantastic monster to represent Jews 

because to them, we’re already monsters

this isn’t to say you can’t talk about stuff in the context of specific recent creators

JKR’s goblins are grotesque little antisemitic caricatures, just as many editions of D&D made goblins into anti-Asian stereotypes

remember that there’s no One True Goblin Form. There’s no codified rule about dwarves being greedy treasure-hoarding foreigners, in spite of Tolkien. There’s no rule about how long or how pointy an elve’s ears are.

this stuff is all centuries if not millennia old. It’s gone through countless variations in how it has been told. Sometimes, to some people, “goblin”, “elf”, and “dwarf” were all names for the same thing. Sometimes one or the other was extremely specific. Sometimes they were each broad categories, more akin to something like the Japanese “youkai” or “bakemono”.

sometimes, people have sat down and decided to take these ideas and use them to conceal their hatred, to signal others who believe as they do or to try to make their bigotry seem less bigoted by making it about something nonhuman

but that’s recent

because back when people were worried about elves swapping a changeling for their baby, or an ogre in the forest

they were also convinced that “Jew” was itself a category of inhuman creature.

ayellowbirds

reblogging this again because i checked tumblr again after being behind the wheel for about three and a half hours last night and found another post claiming that goblins originated as antisemitic, which is… no. It’s just no.

and an addendum: Jewish tradition has several creatures of our own who can be identified as a goblins, including the lantukhs and kapelyushnikles of Yiddish folklore.

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I’ve been thinking this for a long time bit it’s nice to see actual Jewish people talking about it. Basically all it took was one completely unsourced post claiming goblincore was inherantly antisemitic and hundreds of people uncritically reblogged as is the nature of this site.

I actually made a list a while back of different goblins in folklore with this issue in mind but I didn’t realize Jewish folklore also had goblins!

ayellowbirds

bearing in mind that a lot of my readings on this were texts that are not digitized (or not readily accessible online), and i don’t have copies of my own, but here’s some info on those:

lantukh(er) or lantekh: most likely derived from mistransliterations of the French lutin into Hebrew script (source; i’ve actually read this and i can see about digging up the relevant passages for this and the rest if anyone really needs access), a lantukh is a vaguely described creature most often seen hiding in shadows and darkness. The common attributes include a love of mischief ranging from harmless to violent depending on whether the lantukh has been slighted; Isaac Bashevis Singer (if i am remembering my sources correctly) gave the translation as “brownie” in reference to said fey’s reputation for switching from benevolent to malicious depending on its treatment, and some sources suggest lantukher often take up residences in human homes. Others put them solely in lonely places; a particularly unusual characteristic is their association with impossibly long tongues, either as an illusion they create or a genuine physical attribute, allowing them to reach across great distances (per stories repeated in first source). Whether they are smaller than humans is often implied or left ambiguous, but often not outright stated.

kapelyushnikle(ch/kh): translatable as “hat-wearers” or “hatters”, kapelyushniklech are very small people who… wear hats. Presumably nice, visually distinctive hats. They are attributed a mischievous character linked to human-owned cows and horses, stealing milk from the former (source) and harassing the latter (source). They seem to appear in groups of two or more, unlike the usually solitary lantukh, and stories seem to focus on their capture and bargaining for their freedom.

ayellowbirds

there’s been a bunch of replies to this that have twisted what i’m saying to act like every instance of people pointing out antisemitism in goblin designs is baseless. That’s bullshit. Goblins in and of themselves are not antisemitic, but there are plenty of instances of Christian artists and authors over the past century who used them as a vehicle for antisemitic caricatures, whether consciously or just as a general trend of associating us with evil. There are plenty of artists and authors who do the same with orcs and Black or Asian people.

This post is not and never was about disputing a specific example of goblins in fiction. It’s a rejection of the claims that the origin of goblins is in antisemitism. Jews have used goblins and goblin-like creatures in our folklore, plenty. We’ve used vampires too, and there’s a lot of links between antisemitism and vampires in the older folklore. I know plenty of Jews with hyena fursonas, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take into account the blood libels in North Africa that claim we turn into hyenas and dig up Christian graves to eat the corpses.

Some people, including a certain very famous TERF author, do make goblins antisemitic. I’m not denying that. The people who do so are usually going to be noticeably bigoted in other ways, treating everyone other than cisgender neurotypical heterosexual western European white Christians as if we were strange fantasy creatures in the first place.

Pay close attention to who is writing the stories and drawing the artwork. There are some Jews who perpetuate Jewish stereotypes, and there are some Goyim who do it without realizing, because both have internalized so much awful shit. Look at what characteristics are being presented as negative or bundled together with them. Be critical and analyze things.

And just as much as you shouldn’t assume all goblins are antisemitic, please stop giving people shit for pointing out examples that are.

(also please stop reblogging the version of this post where someone put badly translated German. Aside from the errors, I don’t want to keep seeing those photos every time I check a new comment on this post)

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The reason I suggested corvidcore as a replacement for goblincore is that that the definition of goblincore could absolutely be seen as drawing on antisemitic stereotypes. But to be clear, the OP is correct—goblins as folklore creatures, in some places, have been around even longer than Jews have.

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“ Sonictober day 4: Experiment
Drew this one last week but forgot to post here whoops
I’ll just skip day 5 and 6. Don’t feel like drawing a machine and only thing I can think of for day 6, is zavok and his crew, but I hate them so I’m...
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Sonictober day 4: Experiment

Drew this one last week but forgot to post here whoops
I’ll just skip day 5 and 6. Don’t feel like drawing a machine and only thing I can think of for day 6, is zavok and his crew, but I hate them so I’m not gonna draw them lol
Yeah I’ve been drawing a lot of shadow lately. Other than sonic, shadow is also my most favorite sonic character!